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Hamlet 1 year 2 weeks ago #6725

In the Play Hamlet there is something that I find interesting: in Act 3 Scene 3, King Claudius is attempting to pray, to repent his foul deeds. He feels the attempt is useless, saying : " My words fly up, my thoughts remain below. Words without thoughts never to heaven go." At that moment Hamlet is at the door and about to murder him, but changes his mind, because the king is praying. Is this not answer to prayer? The brief moments that king Claudius attempts to repent actually saves his life, at least temporarily, which is all that any of us has.
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Hamlet 1 year 2 weeks ago #6726

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I think that's a valid interpretation, but the stronger one is based on what Hamlet says:
And am I then revenged,
To take him in the purging of his soul,
When he is fit and season’d for his passage?
No!
Up, sword, and know thou a more horrid hent:
When he is drunk asleep, or in his rage,
Or in th’ incestious pleasure of his bed,
At game a-swearing, or about some act
That has no relish of salvation in’t—
Then trip him, that his heels may kick at heaven,
And that his soul may be as damn’d and black
As hell, whereto it goes.

To paraphrase, he questions should he take him and complete his revenge at the very moment he is repenting and prepared to die. No, it's better to wait for a more sin-filled moment to catch him off guard and send his soul to hell instead. Divine intervention, Hamlet's calculation, or both?
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Hamlet 1 year 2 weeks ago #6727

Ron

Thanks for the thoughts. It seems that the action of the moment was led by repentance, not Hamlet's calculations
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Hamlet 1 year 1 week ago #6733

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Bob Matheson wrote:
In the Play Hamlet there is something that I find interesting: in Act 3 Scene 3, King Claudius is attempting to pray, to repent his foul deeds. He feels the attempt is useless, saying : " My words fly up, my thoughts remain below. Words without thoughts never to heaven go." At that moment Hamlet is at the door and about to murder him, but changes his mind, because the king is praying. Is this not answer to prayer? The brief moments that king Claudius attempts to repent actually saves his life, at least temporarily, which is all that any of us has.

If you are a Left-Wing Militant Christian-hating Humanist... yes. You go to heaven, and you get a prize.

If you are a Catholic State Owned Christian... maybe.

If you are just a normal person... no.
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Hamlet 1 year 1 week ago #6734

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Ron Severdia wrote:
I think that's a valid interpretation, but the stronger one is based on what Hamlet says:
And am I then revenged,
To take him in the purging of his soul,
When he is fit and season’d for his passage?
No!
Up, sword, and know thou a more horrid hent:
When he is drunk asleep, or in his rage,
Or in th’ incestious pleasure of his bed,
At game a-swearing, or about some act
That has no relish of salvation in’t—
Then trip him, that his heels may kick at heaven,
And that his soul may be as damn’d and black
As hell, whereto it goes.

To paraphrase, he questions should he take him and complete his revenge at the very moment he is repenting and prepared to die. No, it's better to wait for a more sin-filled moment to catch him off guard and send his soul to hell instead. Divine intervention, Hamlet's calculation, or both?

"Purgatory", not hell. Hell is the belief that sinners that do not want to follow Jesus are tormented forever in the afterlife, and separated from God's presence.

Purgatory is the papal establishmentarian bastardization of a law that predates the American, British, Latin-Roman, Greek and Egyptian Empires. Purgatory was invented by the papacy in 700AD - so that the politicians, celebrities and fake religious people could join the poor, exploited and oppressed millions in heaven too.

Hamlet is a part of a union (not Denmark) that kills anyone for owning a bible. I doubt his life has anything to do with a commoner's understanding of divine intervention. I definitely think that there is some kind of intervention at work: a redder kind.

Hamlet's rash killing of Polonius and cursing of his dead body, weird fascination with Gertrude's sex life and dead human body parts, and stupid decision to wrestle Laertes in Ophelia's grave all stand together... Hamlet is a complete and utter idiot who belongs in jail. You don't have to worry about Divine intervention. The state will kill you, rip out all your internal organs and burn them in front of a child and call you a criminal if you own a bible. There is a distinct difference between a state that owns Christianity and Christianity that does not want to be regulated and framed.

Hamlet is definitely not a genius. He's a complete imbicile. I should have preferred if William Shake Spear (alluding to the spears/pikes of London Bridge) wrote all his plays from the perspective of a commoner.
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Hamlet 1 year 1 week ago #6735

Cool
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Hamlet 1 year 1 week ago #6736

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Ye man. And if you really want to get into the nitty-gritty of what Shakespeare is all about then you will look into the social context of the people that he quoted, the Italian, Spanish, Greek and Latin Philosophers and Literacists. All scumbags. All clearly-cut criminals. They just use their too-much-thinking to justify things that are clearly wrong. They were all just a bunch of prostitute-using drug-abusing pedophiles and criminals that belong in prison.

People laugh, which really makes me wonder. The number of innocent Christians that have been beheaded; and whose heads were piked on London Bridge just a couple centuries ago clearly outnumbers the amount of plays and poems written by William Shakespeare.

William Shakespeare was not an Enigma. He was just some dude that hit it lucky, and found a niche to make some bucks. He happened to be around when the millennium was changing into a Humanistic one, and when the English language was flourishing into an Imperial one that needed reformation. Shakespeare was talented, and had a way with the audience, but there were absolutely thousands and thousands of other people during his time that could have easily fit the spot. There's nothing that interesting about him really: his theater burnt down, he neglected his family, his heir died (Hamnet), he was probably having an affair with the Earl that sponsored him, he had an affair with his mistress (who was his mistress... huh... so Shakespeare was just into banging everyone) and he was in the same league as Francis Bacon. Bacon's Administration was trying to change the State Religion into Witch Craft. Not kidding. Like literally, he was trying to oust Christianity from the Government.

So I mean, like, Shakespeare is not a Christian - number 1, I doubt he's even Catholic. I mean, even Catholics aren't as extreme as he is in his plays. Shakespeare is in bed with all these Christian hating, pro-pagan sun god worshipers and witches. Shakespeare is banging everyone. He has no time for his family. His son dies. This is a really irresponsible guy. Plus Christian women and children are getting ripped up into pieces by the state, and he doesn't give a hoot.

A couple years back, William Wallace claimed the throne of Scotland and totally attacked England, because the Brits were raping and pillaging the Scots like crazy. The traitor Bruce played William into the English's hands - and so ended the liberation of the Scottish people. For the past 800 years they have totally integrated into England. They were given no liberty. They were forced to join the commonwealth, and Christian decenters in the Scottish Government that don't bend over backwards for Anti-Christian Humanist ideals get impeached and thrown in the clanker.

I think that the Irish still hate England. England treated the Irish worse, if I'm not mistaken.

I think that Shakespeare is overlooked by far too many people. They don't understand that he was a limb of the state into the public, via the media, and that he was influencing change through theater. Why else were people lobbying against the theater? It was a main event in history... theater was banned. Why? Did it have something to do with Barney the cute fury dinosaur? No, it had to do with Politicians and Activists that understood Shakespeare's touch of euphemism did not change the fact that it was all a part of the process to get hard-to-maintain Christians registered, regulated and controlled.

The Catholic Church was created to regulate Christians that decented from humanistic philosophy, after the state executed Jesus Christ and all his major followers. They didn't like Christians. Christianity was seen as a threat to national security. If it wasn't then Jesus never would have been killed. There were two national powers overseeing his trile, before his execution, and one of them was an empire. The empire delivered him to the Jewish Nationalists (knowing that he'd be killed) - and Jesus was executed. Just because Pontius Pilate washed his hands, does not make him innocent. The Bible teaches that if we can help, and refuse to help - we are sinning. And Pontius Pilate was not a foolish man. Even his wife understood what Jesus was all about. She warned Pilate about Jesus. Pilate could have done something, but he was a lackie. A bottom feeder. He wasn't the Emperor. Paul met with Caesar and tried to pursued him to convert to a Christian, and Caesar was almost there with him, because the Roman Dictatorship understood the clemency of Jesus Christ and that he was a highly authoritative figure of the Kingdom Heaven, because of course you see - Greeks and Roman believe in Heaven, unlike Humanist decenters. They acknowledged that he was a god you see. The Roman and Greek people worshiped even the Apostles, much to their displeasure. The Jewish commoner understood that Jesus was the Saviour, but they refused to call him God, and they decented from Judaism into Islam. Islam with their "Only Prophet" motto comes from the Jews.

Now you have this emergence of Renaissance thought claiming to be a revival of the ancient Greek and Latin Philosophers, which later (I would say) deteriorates into this highly critical form of Humanism that basically says that if you consider any knowledge of the afterlife as truthful and factual, then you are uneducated or an idiot.

From all that, basically what we have is a huge cropping up of all these funny dictators all over Europe that have these amazing Philosophies that justify unbelievable inhumane abuse and torture, and at the same time they claim to be Jesus Christ. They say they are the real Messiah (that is where all this anti-christ controversy comes from). People are really T-ed off with Christians, because apparently Hitler was a Christian. You know, everyone is a Humanist and a Christian and a Satanist and a Witch and just everything just balls together. Eyes closed and out with the Bible.

The Bible clearly states in Deuteronomy that according to the Kingdom, the Government of Heaven, thou shalt not worship other gods. Simple. And Jesus teaches in the New Covenant of Law and Legislation of the Kingdom of Heaven... to love your enemy, pray for those that hatefully use and abuse you for your reward is great in heaven... simple. So it is a completely monotheistic religion, passive if you ever knew such a word and all you have to do is trace all the reported speech of Jesus and it gives it flat on the table, no BS - just facts. Facts nicely summarized. The Old Testament is flipping huge. And Jesus sums it up in a few pages. The people acknowledged him as the most Authoritative figure of his time. Buddhists, Muslims, flipping... the lot all understood that this dude was flipping scary and awesome, he gives me shivers. And he was totally anti-war, because he had the absolute Spirit of God. This was a kick-ass dude. Really like clean cut, solid. You see him once, talk to him once, check out how he talks just once - your life is like changed. You will be a new person.

Shakespeare does not talk the same way Jesus talks. I have done a comparison. I've read him again, and again and again. Shakespeare does not have authority, at all. He has knowledge, knowledge gives you power - but it doesn't let you keep it. Power without form is... you might as well not even have power. It's like trying to aim a canon with your eyes closed. Hamlet had a time and a place, but his form deteriorated into the anarchy and hedonism of Hew Hefner.

Perhaps porn is funny to a certain crowd, but to the rest of the world - we are watching in awe of what is next. Our kids watching disgusting crap on their cellphones. What next? Apocalypse? What next? Will there be a second cleansing? What next? Stuff like that.

Shakespeare may be many things, but he never lead me to be uncertain about what he stands for, or uncertain for myself. Shakespeare had sex with prostitutes and went to bed with all the corrupt politicians and probably had sex with the Earl, but I don't have to choose to be an irresponsible little brat like he was. I can, like many, many people do, choose to be a responsible human being: and not the waste of space that he was.
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