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TOPIC: Sonnet 17: how mant questions?

Sonnet 17: how mant questions? 7 years 8 months ago #2476

  • Mike thomas
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Ref Sonnet 17:

It begins with a question, and the line has a question mark, but it seems to me that
there is at least one more question, less a question mark:

Who will beleeue my verse in time to come
If it were fild with your most high deserts?

* no problem up to here - a question and mark.

Though yet heauen knowes it is but as a tombe
Which hides your life, and shewes not halfe your parts:
If I could write the beauty of your eyes,
And in fresh numbers number all your graces,
The age to come would say this Poet lies,
Such heauenly touches nere toucht earthly faces.

* no problem up to here, and no questions.

So should my papers (yellowed with their age)
Be scorn’d, like old men of lesse truth then tongue,

**question?

And your true rights be termd a Poets rage,
And stretched miter of an Antique song.

* another question?

But were some childe of yours aliue that time,
You should liue twise in it, and in my rime.


This sonnet reminds me of the Dedication page which reads in a similar way.

anyone any ideas?

Regards.
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Sonnet 17: how mant questions? 7 years 8 months ago #2477

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I do believe both pairs --as you divide them up-- of couplets are statements not questions; stronger iteration summarizing what came in the body just before them.

ie.--even though heaven knows, and I could describe it most accurately and poetically...still...(back to line 1)--who will believe?
"So (thusly ) should (shall) my papers... (in the future)...yellowed with age... be scorned" (as well, and be not believed).

Although question marks could be added, it seems a bit of a stretch given the syntax and then-customary modes of expression. Look at the first two metric feet of the line "So should my pa- [pers]...". The first foot, read as an iamb instead of a trochee-- as if a question is being asked--makes it very sing-song, and gives us: "so SHOULD my PA-". On the other hand: "SO should my PA-pers" ... "YEL owed WITH their AGE ( note the parentheses--indicative of a drop in the voice) sounds much more like a human speaking, (and more like Shakespeare as well) and rounds out the line both metrically and realistically, rather than like an automaton "mouthing" poetic pentameters. This is one of the things that make him so damned good.

And I believe the ending couplet offers what would be an only solution to the statements--undeniable givens handed out by Time and Fate-- the "solution" most probably impossible in the mind of the writer (but who can blame a fella for trying?...wink-wink). Although it saddens, he's not whimpering--simply stating facts.
In any event, if there are some ???? floating around, ones that didn't make their way on to the page, they're certainly not missed by me.
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Sonnet 17: how mant questions? 7 years 8 months ago #2478

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Thanks very much for taking the trouble to answer my question.

I will absorb all you say, and contemplate.


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